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What is this?



Twitter have a not well known but good to use feature: embedding tweets on websites.
You can use that by going to the selected tweet's own page (by clicking on its date) and clicking on "more" button.

When it embeded properly it gives you more functionality (reply, fav, retweet, follow). deviantART currently kills the script tag that makes this possible.


Why is it important?



Journals are written about lot of things, and there are lot of cases when a tweet can give plus information to given topic. Making tweets look good helps everyone, and it have a really nice "works with every layout" design.

How?



I see two good ways for this.

  1. Journals have the twitter script in header so when a twitter embed code placed in tweets render well.

  2. Using already existing da:embed tag like this: <da:embed profile="twitter" id="tweet_id_goes_here" > this would be perfect as the tag represents embedding media. This time it would be a tweet.
(thanks for =deviant-garde for comments that led me to come up with methods of embedding)

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Daily Deviation

Given 2013-02-17
Embed tweet in Journal by =NAkos

deviantART Related / deviantART Suggestions / Visual Suggestions ( Suggested by GillianIvy and Featured by bradleysays )
:iconamanda4quah:
amanda4quah Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2015  Student General Artist
Why is this STILL not part of reality??!?!?
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:iconastrikos:
Astrikos Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013   General Artist
:la: This is lovely!
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:icontimberclipse:
TimberClipse Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Professional Filmographer
Love the idea! :la:
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:iconwindwakerwolf:
Windwakerwolf Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Congrats to DD! :D
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:iconviciousm:
ViciousM Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Student General Artist
^Though articulate, that one user sure does write long and detailed complaints for why this piece doesn't deserve a dd, forever alone much. I can't help but :lol: :facepalm: smh, then :lol: again. :censored:
Apparently not EVERYONE! knows about skimming, nor cross posting.
When browsing through da (or any other VISUALLY DRIVEN websites,) I usually go by the thumbnail of the deviation rather than browse through the entire torrent of somewhat related materials to just get what I really wanted to find initially in my head.
If it really catches my eye, I'd (most likely) go to all means possible to learn more about the post, i.e. clicking on the embedded (thumbnail) tweet of the page, then following it through to the page where it was originally located. Voila! A.I.D.A achieved!
Now the same goes for cross posting.
If you are running a business with your art, then you would certainly promote it right? Instead of just posting it individually per site, if you are running multiple sites but your main platform is da, then why not opt for lessened clicks //I know YOU know wth I'm talking about! The hold left click mouse, drag to highlight (Ctrl+A's (if proof read x4x4x4 - A LOT of work I know)), Ctrl+C's, Alt+Tab's, Ctrl+V's, hold mouse, left click on submit, wait to load--shebang. Not all of us have all the time in the world to sit hours if not days in front of a monitor | screen. We also have other venues of the business and real life to tend to.
Stop beating around the bush and just blast the darn plant, hit (you just don't know if) multiple birds with one stone (oh so now you get the idea). //Pardon me for the fist-to-face conveyance of the message albeit being graphic (if you like that visualization in your mind) of some sort.
Convenience.
I'm :stfu: now.

I for one approved of this suggested feature.
^Short and concise.
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:iconnakos:
NAkos Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
This was the suggesters point to, that is why it got suggested as turned out. :)
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:iconsnow-princess:
snow-princess Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013   Digital Artist
Congrats on the daily deviation! Deviant art is currently a bit iffy with other forms of social media I've found (however it is trying to interact better) so this is a useful idea, and I would like to see it implemented in future :) DeviantArt plz!
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:iconnakos:
NAkos Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
dA have lot of twitter accounts for example. This was one thing I kept in mind while I done this. :)
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:iconmiontre:
miontre Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
what a Daily Deviation is*
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miontre Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
The hate here is completely unnecessary .. funny how it's all coming from people who don't really understand what a Daily Deviation, what the dA Related category is, and what this deviation is even about .. don't make a complaint before knowing what you're complaining about! :no:

Anyway, congrats on your Daily Deviation! It's a good suggestion. :)
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:iconnakos:
NAkos Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you :) I got used to this kind of stuff, this is not the first time I see stuff like this. If is remember this is why $namenotrequired had articles about "deviantART related category as DD material?" before.
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:iconunpredictabloo:
Unpredictabloo Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Student General Artist
I don't have a twitter, but I think it's a wonderful idea.
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GillianIvy Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm so glad you got the DD. Sorry people art griefing that this is "not art".

I suggested the DD, anyone who wants to ask me why I suggested a suggestion to the deviantART Related category, please feel free to ask. The purpose of featuring work like this is to give it exposure and feedback for whether or not there is support or interest in the feature suggested. It is not a matter whether or not it is art. People may think the only things in dA related cat that deserve DD's are the deviant ID's. But the purpose of being featured is to share the idea/creation/art/etc with the community at large. It is not an award, it does not mean that an art work/whatever is the epitome of awesome. It means it is something being shared with the entire community by the CV's for whatever reason they decide.

I asked to not have my reason added as it was unpolished and I like to give either a good quote or none at all. I thought a suggestion would be obvious why it is shared... Feedback from the community whether or not they are interested in a feature like this. Support or lack of interest. Not whether it deserves this place instead of art... Each CV gets 1 year to serve, that's 365 days they can feature something in their category. Art gets plenty of features. Ideas deserve featuring as well. Like the idea or not, that is the point. Voice an opinion about the idea so deviantART knows if there is interest.

This da code suggestion could be embellished on to be an RSS feed for integrating other sites into a journal. I think in this social age where networking is key for artists to gain recognition, such an advancement would be useful. There is already the Twitter widget, but if you wanted to embed a specific tweet from other users, etc, it would be a more eloquent looking solution to use an embed code than to make a link and copy & paste the quote.
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CaptainKetamine Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I think the hate on this is unnecessary, this certainly isn't the worst thing to get a DD, but hey, this actually could make a page more interesting. I might actually get a twitter just to use it. Thanks, =NAkos :)
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NAkos Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
This is the point. Twitter is important these days along with other social stuff. Journals are perfect place for info like this :)
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Alien-Exile Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
PS: I also thought it was very poor show on your part to berate the guy who questioned why it was a DD and said it was "terrible".

You were happy to accept one line comments that were positive, without requiring further comment on why they thought it was good enough to qualify for a DD. So why require a more precise critique from someone who thought it was terrible and unworthy?

Please have some consistency when responding to both praise and criticism.
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NAkos Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Negative comments need to be dig further maybe they can say something that can improve given work BUT insulting with one liner is just stupid. On the other hand a "good work" type of comment not something that I need to question further. The person likes it. I don't even think in context of DD. I am happy if he likes it. If a positive comment writer wants to tell me what he likes about it I am happy about it too. But I will not asking for it, as I don't wait anyone to ask me for my opinion on "why I like something". If people likes it that is enough information about that I do it right.

But if somebody doesn't like it then it is real information to know what that person didn't like about it. Maybe that person see other points worth considering and I am happy if he shares it with me. At times I agree on other times it just don't fit with my views and I don't change for that person. I like this kind of negative critique. But it needs more than "It's terrible!!!!" If you read further in those comments she didn't even understand the concept of deviantART related suggestion category. So there were no valid point in her argument. If I don't play with her a little we never come to that.
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Alien-Exile Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
To respond to all of your points in both replies:

Regarding the idea recieving a DD:
I realise that this did NOT take the place of another DD. I do know how to suggest something for a DD, have read the process info, and have suggested things for DD in the past. It would of course help if the volunteers actually read those messages though (which is not your fault they don't).
I do also realise that you didn't request the DD.


Regarding protecting your idea:
I don't believe there is anything to protect about your work, because I don't believe it IS 'your' work.
The idea (send messages on a website)... belongs to someone else.
The coding to embed twitter messages into another page... belongs to someone else.
The only part of the idea that is your work is a basic statement of "why can't we do this on DA?".


Regarding my critique:
I was commenting on both the idea AND it's worthiness to recieve such high recognition (a Daily Deviation spot).

What I was saying is, it wasn't something that I (underlined) personally thought deserved a DD.
It was an idea, and not an original idea at that... put messages onto a web page.
Who cares if the idea is worth millions, that's not what it should be about.
THIS particular site is called deviant ART. It should be about art, whether that is paint, pencil, digital, photography or written (poetry, literature, etc), or some other form, but still ART.

The critique WAS about the idea.
An idea that was NOT original.
An idea that was NOT artistic.
An idea that was NOT groundbreaking.
An idea that did NOT excite or inspire me in any way.
An idea that prompted nothing more than an 'ok... big deal' reaction.
And finally,
An idea that did NOT deserve such high recognition (Again not your choice I realise).

I would not try to solve the problem, It's not something I personally would like to see. It serves no purpose to ME at all. And I have never personally found ANY tweet to be artistic in any way.

To respond to your other comments:
Yes his, sorry her, reponse was negative, it was not, however, an insult.
She thought it was 'terrible'.
That is no less valid than someone saying it was 'wonderful'.
However, being someone that did not want to be insulted by this you did throw an insult back (indirectly via you reply to me) by stating that her one line negative response was, in your own words 'stupid'.
Sometimes a person can just hate an idea without needing to validate it. In much the same way that you personally don't want any further reason as to why someone loves your idea.
SHE personally thought it was a terrible idea. She may not have understood the entire concept of it, but that does not invalidate her opinion.
Someone who loved it may not have understood the idea either, and may also change their opinion if they really did understand.

Ideas are not tangible, they cannot be touched or felt.

All of this is why I was saying that ANY idea that requires further reponse to a negative remark, should also require further response to a positive one. For example "What do YOU like about it?" "Would YOU change anything to make it even better?" etc.

If they can't answer at least the first of those two questions then how can they be sure they actually like the idea? (To use the flipside of your reason for questioning someone who does not like it).

When someone agrees with a person's ideas and they don't question it, they are basically accepting that they are right, that their idea is great, and that no further response is required. It is an ego stroking remark that they are pleased with.
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NAkos Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
"it's worthiness to recieve such high recognition (a Daily Deviation spot)" DD was always and will be always subjective. Subjective on the suggesters side and on the featurer's side. I don't see problem with it. I don't like all the DDs, nobody does, but that is my own problem. I got DD, I am happy about it. My DD suggestions got DD. I am happy about it. Somebody got DD that I think he shouldn't? I don't really care. I just ignore it. I find error in a DD? I write critique about it but not because it become a DD but because I don't like something about the piece itself. That fact it become a DD doesn't change the value of given piece.

An idea that was NOT original. - You didn't come up with this. I didn't see it at others. It is original as far as I know. Not big but original.
An idea that was NOT artistic. - Yeah, as it is a deviantART suggestion, about Journals those are not artistic. Journals are about sharing information about yourself, about your art, your life. Tweets are information too, tweets have good way to embed. I want to embed my tweets maybe somebody will use that widget to follow me there etc. And it can be artistic. Designing how Journals work is art. Webdesign is art. Oh and the crappy journal skin I use for this suggestion. That is mine too. CSS is art. Even if its minimalistic.
An idea that was NOT groundbreaking. - This is the same as the first one
An idea that did NOT excite or inspire me in any way. - This is just subjective problem of yours. This doesn't mean others will not get idea from this. I mean even I can think new ideas from this, like "I want to embed other stuff too, like my Kickstarter project" and then a new suggestion born... right here, right now... but I will not suggest it I don't have KS project.

About her: she didn't think the idea is terrible. That is the point. You didn't read the comments after that. She didn't realized it is not a painting, a photograph a digital art etc. It is a deviantART related suggestion and got its own category and its own DDs. She answered others like this "derp" for normal questions. So if I don't start the conversation she just stays at that "it is terrible" without saying what is terrible about it. She don't even talked about the deviation she talked about "it is not DD worthy because it isn't beautiful like a colourful photo".

And as I said. I don't care if somebody simply don't want to explain why they like it. Because to be honest I only tell it if they ask for it. If somebody ask me why I like it I will tell. But I don't ask because this is the internet, most people only want to show their support by a fav or a short comment and I really don't except more positivity than that. Everybody sees hundreds of images and ideas that they like every single day. One positive word is more than I could even except.

On the other hand when somebody writes they don't like it they mostly use strong words, offensive words. And negativity at most of times comes from ignorance. They maybe didn't understand the work or reasons why it got attention, and they just drop by to say "terrible", but maybe they really hate something about it because they have other point of view. So I ask for clarification. I want to know. And in my experience the best way to start is with sarcasm, because most of them don't answer for simple questions like if they see an error? Or it is a misunderstanding? Or they can do it better?
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Alien-Exile Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
My problem with this particular DD, is it generated little in the way of discussion before it was a DD. It's generating little in the way of discussion now. Shouldn't a DD evoke more than a TINY bit of interest either way?

NOT an original or groundbreaking idea: MySpace, Bebo, twitter, facebook, most other social network sites I can think of allow users to link to others to multi purpose their info. So no, I did not come up with the idea. But neither did you. The other sites did. You just suggested that DA follow THEIR idea. So I stand by both statements that this is NOT an original or groundbreaking idea. It would just be new to DA IF they took it up.

NOT artistic: Neither CSS, HTML, or any coding of ANY kind is ART. Yes it is creative, but it is NOT art in the traditional sense of the word. A suggestion or idea is not artistic in of itself, it CAN be very creative though. Journals CAN be artistic, depending on the content, but they don't HAVE to be. How they work (the nuts and bolts behind it) can be creative but NOT artistic. If I go to an ART website or gallery I do not see interface designs, or simple lists of code (suggesting that this is indeed the case). While I personally consider website layouts and interfaces to be creative works, and in some cases very artistic, you did not CREATE an interface for this, you took twitters layout, removed the text between the button icons and put a box round it to contain it. I no more consider this artistic than I do my own suggestion for changing the message centre layout. I would be quite shocked and embarassed if that were to recieve a DD as it was not MY creativity. So again I stand by my statement that it was NOT artistic, or even creative.

NOT exciting or inspiring: It seems it is not just a 'problem of MINE' (was an insult intended by you there I wonder), but perhaps a problem of many others too. Those who viewed the page and made NO participation in the discussion at all. I stand by my statement once more.

About her: I DID read all of the comments. And I read her first statement exactly as you did. That she thought the idea was terrible. Because she made no effort to expand on that. You did not like so jumped on her with sarcasm, which was quite rude considering you did not want people being insulting with their negative comments about this. You also insulted her in your response to me, with your remark about 'stupid'. No she did not understand the whole thing. But who's to say that everyone who supported you did? Is what I was saying.
I was pointing out your inconsistency with what you thought was insulting.

There isn't any way to dislike something without being negative about it. To dislike something is inherently negative. It can't be avoided.
In every DD I have looked at so far, there has at least been SOME comments giving a reason why a person liked it. I see only ONE positive comment on this that states WHY they like the idea, and that only came AFTER I stated why I did not like the idea or think it worthy of a DD.
It is VERY possible for a lot of people to agree with a very bad idea, simply because it seemed good at first glance. Without ANYONE saying why an idea is good, how does anyone really know until it is implemented. And if it DOES turn out to be a bad idea how bad? Could it be disasterous?
Again I was pointing out your inconsistent view of positive and negative comments when taken together.
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:iconnakos:
NAkos Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
And my idea was to include they idea to dA. Small ideas create good features. End of story.

"Neither CSS, HTML, or any coding of ANY kind is ART" Really? Creating a new DESIGN is not art? When I last checked fractals got DD too. And Journal skins. Go pick on them too! In CSS and HTML the canvas is the page the code/markup is the brush. You work with colors, think about how it looks good, you create something new with those colors with the intention to appeal to people who will look at it. THESE ARE ART. Art is creating something new. That is all. So from now on Journal skins, website designs shouldn't get DD? What about digital photography? That isn't art then in a traditional way.... I mean in a traditional way color photography wasn't art too... photography wasn't art.... you know only paintings are art. I want deviantART only feature traditional art from now on!

"NOT exciting or inspiring: It seems it is not just a 'problem of MINE' (was an insult intended by you there I wonder), but perhaps a problem of many others too. Those who viewed the page and made NO participation in the discussion at all. I stand by my statement once more." Wasn't insult just bad selections of words. But still: this is subjective. That you didn't get inspired other will. I don't get inspired from all piece of art I find good, some of them just good as it is. Inspiration is not a must at any art. It is a subjective thing if you got inspired form it or not. (and you got inspired to write wall of text proving your point). Also I already wrote an example of inspiration I got from my own work. And I am not special in any way, so any other human being can get it.

"Again I was pointing out your inconsistent view of positive and negative comments when taken together." Yeah I am inconsistent in this but I never argued that I am not. I wrote I want to see if a negative comment is about insulting me, about not understanding the piece itself or just plain stupid who can't write more than that and just trolling. At positive comments I don't care, because as I said I don't wait more from anyone on internet. I am happy about it. But I will not asking. If I feel I need feedback I will ask for it. But that is rare. I leave positive comments as they are.

After 6 hours of sleep I am still tired of this... But before you leave me alone read the artist's comment there I linked the comment of the suggester.

It got DD. End of story #2. You don't like it? Write a journal about it OR write a suggestion in deviantART related category about a new guideline called: "what I think should be a DD". Maybe somebody will suggest it as one. It got DD. It stays DD. Today it will disappear from front page and you can find another to pick on because it doesn't meet you guidelines. You have the right to do that. And I have the right to got bored of this.
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Unpredictabloo Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Student General Artist
I'm just a passerby here, but I thought I'd give my two cents: You've written a novel's worth of words in comments about this deviation. If you really think it's that much of a waste of a DD, that's fine... but there's not really much you can do about it. Nobody's phased. That said, why not stop wasting time here and go make some of that real, visually pleasing, deserving art that you're so strung up about, hm?
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Alien-Exile Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I thought the whole point of this particular DD WAS to generate discussion about it and the idea.....?
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Unpredictabloo Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Student General Artist
Yes, which is why I made a comment giving my opinion on the idea itself. All you are doing is writing walls of text that distract from the idea itself by complaining that the deviation is not DD worthy.
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Alien-Exile Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I don't see why this was give DD recognition.
It's not art, it's not creative, it's not even created by the user.

It's simply a bit of information about someone else's work, in this case twitters coding, that 'might' be useful to 'some' users, along with a request/suggestion to change the way things link in journals.

So unworthy of a DD in my opinion, even more so when there are users, producing actual creative works that never get a mention. I would have much rather seen some of your photography as a DD, at least that is your creative work.

Sorry, but I really do think this one is a poor show on DA's part for chosing it.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Have you considered mentioning this to the staff instead of the artist, who had no choice in the matter? :)

FAQ #873: What do I do when I disapprove of a Daily Deviation feature?
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:iconalien-exile:
Alien-Exile Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you!
A useful response, rather than just having a go at me for not liking or agreeing with this deviation and it's place.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
:salute: Please keep it in mind for the future!
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Alien-Exile Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Will do. Thank you :)
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:iconuteri:
UTERI Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You are one sassy deivantart user.
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crimson-city-inc Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013   Traditional Artist
mmm-hmm holla bring dat sass
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Alien-Exile Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
And this comment is exactly what I was meaning in my response to GillianIvy below. The comment has nothing to do with the idea or it's presence here as a DD.
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UTERI Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I wasn't reading the other comments dude just scrollin' by and stating my opinion.
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:iconalien-exile:
Alien-Exile Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
And exactly what I was pointing out...
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:iconuteri:
UTERI Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I really couldn't care less.
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GillianIvy Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
This is in the category "deviantART Related / deviantART Suggestions / Visual Suggestions". The purpose of suggesting these type of items for DD's is so others who also want the suggestion can pipe in. Every DD is not about art, this is deviantART related category, it is about things that are deviantART related. I suggested this as a DD so others can share their opinion on a feature they may want integrated into the site. The creator's suggestion is to have a special da code just for this feature. Kind of like embedding videos. It is a useful suggestion for deviantART to know if there is interest in a feature like this for site advancement.
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Alien-Exile Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
But it's not really a 'visual' suggestion, as in 'adding something that adds to the visual appeal of the site'. It's more of a 'will you let us use something from another site in our journals' suggestion.

Not a lot of people have piped in to the discussion. So it hasn't generated much in the way of interest or appeal, even as an idea. There's how many unique visitors that have responded? 10? 12? and a tiny fraction over half have said it's a good idea.

If it had generated a huge amount of interest, one way or another from the 2 thousand plus visitors, then fine. But 58 TOTAL generated comments and almost 25% of those being responses from the creator... not really a DD, and barely a discussion.

Had it been an original idea, had the idea creator came up with the entire concept and/or the code to do it, had it inspired me or generated a LOT of interest in it's six days on the site, and THEN become a DD, I may have been less critical of it's presence here.
But as it is, I just think it was a basic idea, spun from someone elses work, and hasn't been given enough interest to justify a DD.
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loli-perfume Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Are you really going to argue with every person who disagrees with you on this very subject? DD is just merely a feature. Nothing more. And it's not worth the fuss. Calm down, okay? Maybe drink some tea or something.
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Alien-Exile Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I was having what I 'thought' was a perfectly civilised (if perhaps overly excited) discussion with the person who submitted the suggestion. I wasn't arguing with anyone. However, other people WERE trying to argue with me, simply because they didn't read what I wrote, or made assumptions about my knowledge on the subject. I was simply trying to clarify my points to those people who replied directly (as did the submitter).
I'm perfectly calm and don't require tea at this time.
:) << smile isn't a sarcastic one it's to show that I am indeed calm
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GillianIvy Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Visual suggestion means an image of the idea. Aesthetically done or not. Asking "Will you let us use something from another site" in an image form is exactly what visual suggestion category is meant for. sometimes, you cannot illustrate your ideas with words, so then pictures are used to better convey the message.

Daily Deviations have nothing to do with an award meaning best artwork ever. It is disappointing it has received fewer comments about the actual idea ("yes, I like it" or "no, I don't like it"). But considering how much commentary visual suggestions usually get. Have a look what type of items are in the category: [link] I see 8 miscats on the "What's Hot" top items (and 3 spams). Some of the submissions in this top list which have more than 100 comments have been there for 1+ years. Now faving a suggestion is a way to show favor or support of the idea without needing to comment.

So, I have not read all of your comments berating whether or not the item deserved to be featured... Have you even said your opinion of whether or not you would want the ability to have an embed code for twitter or other similar social RSS feeds? So, by all means, add to the discussion rather than digress. What is your opinion of the suggestion itself, not the quality or originality of the visual aesthetic of it, but what it is suggesting?
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Alien-Exile Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I just thought about the Hot Topics post that DA sent out recently with the discussion request to change the message centre. I also thought about your opening statement re how few comments the visual suggestion area gets.

Perhaps THIS is the real issue.

So few people really care about the look, feel and functionality of the site that they just DON'T WANT to get involved in a discussion UNLESS it radically changes any aspect of one of those 3 items.

It may point to the visual suggestions area being a waste of time to the vast majority of users. In which case, our discussion here about this particular idea becomes completely irrelevant. No one cares enough to take part, until it's really going to screw with what they curently want from and like about the site.

That's quite a sad state of affairs, both for the users and for DA as an entity, don't you think?
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GillianIvy Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I wouldn't say it was a sad state of affairs so much. Since the visual suggestions exist so every user has an easy way to platform and showcase their ideas directly to whomever is in charge of the feedback and ideas department at dA. They have many places to take suggestions, visual, written, forums, and on blog posts like at #hq and #devBUG which specifically ask for feedback (from beta testers, etc) and suggestions for site improvement.

The Footer is supposed to be one method to showcase community related material, however it is clogged with giveaways and fluff rather than news and suggestions. There is a recent suggestion to expound on the journals/news in the footer by creating a position of footer CV who would be responsible for featuring articles of interest or filtering out giveaways and etc that manage to make it there from sheer volume of faves and comments. [link]

Okay, 1 minute till Walking Dead..... We can continue the conversation on recategorization of da suggestions, which is a suggestion in itself, whom ^ladygagz would be the CV to bring the idea to the attention of.
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Alien-Exile Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Perhaps the issue here is the whole way in which the DD system works.
Should ART and IDEAS NOT be seperated.
With a MUCH better way to share ideas?

I realise a DD does not mean 'best artwork ever' but I would also not expect to see poor artwork recieve a DD. In much the same way I would not expect an idea that generates little (if any) response be implemented. If only 10 users think an idea is a good then why implement the idea? And if no one comments either way then why create the discussion about the idea by giving it the platform standing of a DD in order to generate interest that clearly isn't there.

And your last paragraph is exactly part of the problem too. People do not read all parts of the discussion. Even from the person they are challenging.
I stated why I thought it was unworthy of the DD, as well as why I did not like the idea.
It wasn't, in my opinion, original, creative, thought provoking, or useful to me personally. I do not see any time that I would ever use it. And so few peopple have participated positively to the discussion, which suggests I am not alone. Yes I have twitter, but that is my 'twitter' account, I have no need to embed anything from it on this site. And if I did, then I could simply do an area grab of what I wanted to include.
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GillianIvy Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Okay, show is over and I will continue my thought on this reply...

So, separate platforms for suggestions that would also generate feedback from the community. Perhaps something that could be added to the polls, like a community featured suggestion... Perhaps screenshot and create your idea of how to implement a separate area where suggestions will get better feedback and recognition without being a contested DD. I see a lot of complaints about the dA Related category getting DDs, which isn't fair, as dA Related is everything, the hub of the entire website. Whether it is a llama, a Fella or a stamp, it deserves as much recognition as dA IDs and journal skins. It is a rather big category with a lot going on in it.

Would your suggestion be to change how the entire category is showcased on the website? I think it is working fine as it is. I am very active in the dA Related groups, CSS and journal skin in particular, but I sometimes make suggestions. See, here is mine about poll submission: [link] with only 37 comments, half of which are from me. Suggestions usually are better as something simple without need of a lot of explanation, just a small improvement that could make dA better. I actually check my drop down whenever I want to submit a poll to see if it is randomly there... I think navigation could use some improvement.

If any good has come from all these long comments, perhaps is that it has started some thinking about how things could be done to make the site more efficient. Personally, I welcome and accept changes and keep an eye on the updates and read some of the official responses to feedbacks.

I definitely feel that many dA Related things which might not be polished and shiny, but more simple and direct or informative or just something worth sharing with the community at large, might be more warmly received if it were not placed side by side with great artistic feats. There are such high expectations for DD's, it does give a feeling of accomplishment. But do you know what this DD tells this creator? Keep the ideas coming. Keep contributing to the dA community as more than just an artist.

I see you have a nice suggestion for the Message Center. But I'll comment on it there, rather than here.
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Alien-Exile Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Separate platforms:

Yes seperate showcase platforms would be good. Give the following broad categories (or something that can group lots of ver similar stuff together) their own daily spotlight:
Ideas and suggestions
Creative ART - photography, videography, animation, painting, drawing, crafts, etc
Digital ART - manips, interfaces, fractal creations, that sort of thing.
Written word - literature, poetry, etc


Change how the entire category is showcased:

It's not really working fine though. One of your other posts said that it's dissapointing that it doesn't get more recognition. Let's give it more recognition, with it's own showcase.
A poll on all suggestions would be great. Otherwise with no comment it's just a visit, and with NO feedback either way it becomes a case of 'yeah ok, someone looked at it, big deal'. At least with something that is written or is visual art you can be pretty sure someone clicked through to either read it, or take a better look. Regardless of whether they like the piece or not.
The only reason I clicked the thumb for this was because it look quite different, in a way I couldn't really work out what it was for. Which without ANY contribution from me in any way, is pretty pointless... for me, for the submitter, for DA as a whole. The 2K+ views that this recieved prior to my post could have been ALL 'yeah well thats crap. CLICK. off I go' or just as easily 'I love it but cant be asred to write a few words of support'.
The poll idea is quick and easy. And if you have limited choices "Love it, like it, not sure, don't like, hate it", with don't like and hate needing some additional info as to why before submission was allowed. That would solve NAkos issue of having to ask for clarification in order to rule out 'just being arsy' dislike, from genuine 'its not a good idea' dislike. Which isn't an unreasonable thing to filter out.
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GillianIvy Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
So basically, a thumb of image or text for highlighted suggestion in the footer which would have a poll embedded into the artist description, or below it like when they do t-shirt design contest (i.e. I'd wear that). A link that they can click to support the suggestion. I don't know how frequently people suggest things to make a feature viable. Like daily|weekly|monthly... I think the frequency of the poll at the bottom would be right. I do not see a lot of the text and forum suggestions.

I think so long as it were small and unobtrusive in the footer it would be fine. I don't know where else it would be put. Maybe with a button beside it that says "Submit Suggestion". This would give more exposure and encourage people to showcase their ideas for the site.
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NAkos Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You say this like this got the place of something else. If you know a deviation that should get a DD then you should go and suggest that work as DD. You are free to do that and Volunteers will decide if you suggestion worth a feature as DD. FAQ #18: Who selects Daily Deviations and how are they chosen?

And in protection of my work: yeah. It is a bit of information that combines already existing technologies (as most of improvements on any website ever is that... man twitter itself is SMS on a forum wall... it is a bit of idea worth millions) I want to see this happen so I suggested in hope that it will become real at some point, as some of my other suggestions did. That was all. I didn't asked for DD, but I got one. It isn't fair to criticize it because it is a DD.

It would be better to write critique about the idea itself. How would you solve it? How would you like to embed tweets in text on dA? Or maybe you want it with other design? Only jorunals or text deviations too? I think about these since I submitted this (when it come in my mind). The smallest idea can be examined on several level. So I wait ideas and critiques like this.
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ReversedNight Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013

I agree, DeviantART.com has never been good at picking out DESERVED DDs. In my opinion all you find there is porn, porn, porn, and stuff not made by the original user.
It's a 5 out of 100 chance you're going to find something REAL in there at all.
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neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Have you tried suggesting DDs or turning on the mature filter? :) We each represent a different gallery and feature within that gallery. This is not taking the place of some other artwork, nor are the nudes somehow blocking out people wearing clothes.

Frankly this is not the place to vent your feelings about "deserved" DDs.

FAQ #873: What do I do when I disapprove of a Daily Deviation feature?
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Alien-Exile Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
To be totally honest I am ok with artistic nudes, providing that they are indeed 'artistic'. But I got a bit sick of seeing them in the DDs so much. It did get to the point where for quite some days in a row there were a good few of them in there.

I think DAs latest change wish (the revamp of the message centre) really should be dropped (especially as so many users hate their new idea, which is basically just to copy another site's idea). Instead they should do a total revamp of DDs, including the submission and selection process.
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